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Anchoring Modern Sailboats

Helms, Good, Bad and UGLY!

The KISS MSD (includes holding tank diagram)

Jacklines, A catamaran advantage opinion

Trampoline Update, safety

Safety hints for, LPG, CNG, CO

Elusive Catamaran Performance?

What Every New Owner Should Do. . . 

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The KISS Type III MSD holding tank system. (Keep It Simple System)

Like it or not, satisfactory technology or not, installation of holdings tanks is taking place. The original main objection to the tanks, no place to pump them out, is slowly being solved. The Florida Clean Waters Act convinced many people who hesitated to finally bite the bullet and install a Type III, no discharge, holding tank. The ignorance of law enforcement officials to other USCG approved, legal type III marine sanitation devices intensifies the problem. Knowledge of other legal technology is so limited that many people just install holding tanks to avoid the hassle. (NEW technology in the form of COMPOSTING toilets are now available, see chapter 2, this article)

This article cannot help you with the above problems but sure can help you install a system to the best available technology. The major objections to installing holding tanks, yards of piping, myriad fittings, cantankerous discharge systems malodorous fumes, can be ameliorated with modern materials and clever installations. The K.I.S.S. Type III, no-discharge holding tank system with overboard capability where legal, is the most advanced of those clever systems. Working on the "keep-it-simple-system" it eliminates all but the essential system elements. Thus: "if you ain't got it, it can't break." (Or in this case, leak)

For all of you about to retrofit a holding tank to comply with regulations, or wish to upgrade from a less efficient system, or installing a system on a new boat, how would like to have a system that is self-cleaning, self-emptying, does not need "Y" valves, eliminates the need for a vented loop, eliminates the need for a macerator pump, is easily cleaned and flushed and is reliable? The KISS system allows you to install or retrofit the best possible working system without complicated plumbing, electrical connections and drilling a minimum number of holes in the boat.

The concept

The concept is simplicity itself. The tank, installed above the waterline, is emptied overboard by gravity. All waste goes through the tank. The toilet pumps directly to the top of the tank. (MSD) there is no "Y" valve or any other extra leak-prone joint in the system. The toilet itself can be either manual or electric, it makes no difference. The outlet at the bottom of the tank leads to a "Tee." One of the fittings goes to the seacock, the other to the deck pump-out fitting. To use the tank, you close the seacock. To flush straight through, you open the seacock. No Complicated pumps or valves, no smelly leaky vented loops, yards less of piping, dozens less hose clamps and no electrical connections necessary.

The K.I.S.S. system is elementary. The toilet pumps the waste up above the waterline into the holding tank. Gravity pulls it out. Simply by closing the outlet seacock, the holding tank is in use. If your are emptying it offshore, you just open the seacock and it drains out by itself. To rinse, just pump the head.

Another important aspect to this system is that the tank is higher than most, especially those way down in the bilge, thus reducing the amount of "head" (suction) needed to pump the tank from dockside pump-out facilities. By reducing the vacuum, the tank and hoses will last considerably longer and be less prone to operational failure.

Installation

1. Since the toilet discharge will be anti-siphon protected, it can be located anywhere, either above or below the waterline. However, to mount below the waterline, you must have a positive shut-off for incoming water. Not all commercial toilets are so equipped thus the possibility of requiring an anti-siphon valve in the inlet line*

2. The tank must be secured above the waterline. In the case of a monohull sailboat, figure the top of the tank must be safely above the heeled waterline, the bottom must be above the upright waterline. The bridgedeck of a multihull makes an ideal location for a tank. Most catamarans and many trimarans have space in lockers in the foredeck area that are above the waterline that normally are not easily accessible but are close to the boat centerline.

3. It is important to place the deck clean-out line "Tee" as close to the outlet seacock as possible. This will leave the least amount of waste not pumped from your deck pump-out facility. It is imperative to use high quality hose that will not collapse under suction. The very best product for this job is regular schedule 40 PVC pipe. Use a minimum of short hose lengths where there is the possibility of twisting or wracking from hull movement. Remember, hundreds of thousands of RV units are plumbed this way, dump by gravity and have little or no vibration failures.

4. With any holding tank system it is vital to keep the vent pipe clear. If the vent pipe is not clear, it is possible to build up pressure in the tank and either rupture the tank or blow the hoses off. In either event, a great unpleasantness will ensue. Therefore, do not use the cheap clear vinyl tubing. Use a high grade, thick wall, reinforced tubing. All tubing should be opaque. Letting sunlight get into the lines allows the algae to grow that causes a most unpleasant odor.

5. Have the vent so located that you can blast the wash hose down it occasionally to keep it clean. Bigger is better. Most successful installation use 1 1/4" vents. Fresh air must get into the tank as well as fumes getting out. Several catamaran manufacturers have the vent under the boat between the hulls. Install the vent pipe free of severe bends. Many installations require two vent pipes, especially in monohull sailboats where the vent could be closed due to heeling. Troublesome tanks that just cannot be successfully ventilated, can be aerated. Equipment for forcing air into the tanks is available. Tanks wok better if paper is NOT flushed, but disposed of separately.

Tanks

The very best tanks will be polypropylene and have a hemispherical bottom. The drain hole will be in the center, thus making it close to impossible to leave any residue in the tank.

The next best, will be a polypropylene tank with the drain on the bottom and the most likely candidate will be a tank picked at an RV store that has the outlet at the lower edge of one side. In any event, it is necessary to have the inlet in the very top.

The tank inlet from the toilet must be at the very top. The waste must free-fall to the bottom of the tank, leaving the top open to continue its secondary function as a vacuum break .

Tank size and shape.

Free surface water is consideration. A low, flat tank, with a lot of surface area, can create a wave problem in a partially filled tank. If you purchase from marine sources, they may provide you with baffled tanks when you get to that large a size. If you use tall skinny cylindrical tanks, standing on end, you need not worry about free surface water and will have the most satisfactory shape. Even standing a rectangular tank on end will make a difference. It is important to be creative in your choice of tank and location. A tank standing on end could be installed in a large chain locker or hanging locker, perhaps directly above the outlet seacock. Caution. Make sure the head you are using is capable of lifting water to the height required.

Gauging the size of your tank.

The holding tank should be sized by how you expect to use it. If you are going to spend the better part of your cruising at marinas, and you will be most often be getting pumped out from your deck fitting, install the largest practical tank. If you are going to spend most of your time in waters where you will be mostly pumping straight through, a small tank will suffice. Small is about ten to fifteen gallons, large is 25 gallons and above. Rubber tanks will also work, but they are much harder to clean and flush and more likely to smell. If you figure a minimum required capacity of one half-gallon per day per person, you will be close to your requirements for size. (providing you supplement urine disposal with other handling methods)

If you have a deck wash pump and hose, flushing through the vent is possible and practical. Just open the seacock, stick the hose in the vent pipe and fire away.

Simple is beautiful. The KISS MSD system cuts the cost of installation in more than half by eliminating the most expensive parts. It makes operation virtually foolproof. No fancy instructions, no puzzling over which way the "Y" valve is turned, no more short-circuited rusty old macerator pumps. Elimination of the vented loop, a source of odor and malfunction, is axiomatic. The free-flow of air from the vent to the tank and the open hose in the tank at a height above the waterline subsume its function.

Parts in a conventional system: (per MSD)

tank

Macerator-pump

2 "Y" valves

1 Electrical switch and wiring for macerator pump

1 vented loop

1 outlet seacock (some configurations require TWO outlet seacocks, another big hole in your hull!)

1 inlet seacock

1 "Tee" fitting (or two, depending upon configuration)

hose clamps on estimated 22 joints double clamped where feasible

hose clamps for vent double clamped

Vent fitting, preferably two vents

deck pump-out fitting

Yards of hose or PVC pipe.

Parts in a K.I.S.S. system (per MSD)

1 tank

1 outlet seacock

1 inlet seacock

1 "Tee" fitting

hose clamps on minimum number of joints, double clamped where feasible

hose clamps for vent double clamped where feasible

Vent fitting

Feet of hose or PVC pipe

*The use of fresh water for flushing may modify that requirement.

Suggestions for making any system work better.

1. If you have a watermaker or spend considerable time at marinas where you can obtain water easily, plumb your system to flush with fresh water. You can have a switch over to sea water if you like, as a standby. Using potable water as flush water will eliminate most of the maintenance problems associated with marine toilets. For ultimate safety put a check-valve in the freshwater intake line to prevent the unlikely possibility of back flow into the potable system.

2. Make sure your tank is empty when you leave the boat for an extended time period. In hot weather, the material may dry up and cake, causing serious blockage problems. The more complex the system, the worse the problems. On systems that isolate the holding tank from the rest of the system with "Y" valves, this can be especially bad because of the tendency to neglect the tank anyway.

In cold weather, there is the possibility of freezing and rupturing both tank and hose. Many an owner has come back to spring commissioning only to find a split hose or fitting due to the nature of his installation.

3. There are certain marine jurisdictions that do not allow any connections for overboard flushing, even if they are sealed and locked. The KISS system is the simplest to convert. Just remove the "T" from the system and replace it with a sweep elbow. You then have a classic pump out only system. (Many cruisers use that most simple system and pump out with a hand operated diaphragm pump from the same deck fitting when it is convenient and appropriate for them to do so)

4. Always rinse thoroughly while you are being pumped out at pump-out station.

Below is a simplified diagram of a KISS MSD system

 

 

 

 

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Below diagram is an example of how major producers are using this technique. Note: my annotations to actual owner's manual diagram.

The waterline on these boats is below  the base of the toilet thus there is no anti-siphon valve in the line. On a vessel where the toilet is below the waterline, an anti-siphon loop and fitting is recommended.

Prudence and regulations recommend shutting all intake valves when not in use. The label below is an ISO required item on all vessels

 

 

 

 

 

The  above article, written by Charles E. Kanter, is specifically for people who are looking to solve a problem with existing plumbing facilities and have a reasonable solution to pumpout problems. Other solutions exist. See article below. For further information, contact: surveyor@sailcopress.com

 

Upgrading my Marine Head to a COMPOSTING TOILET

My solution to the problems, concerns and mandates about marine toilets had been to use a Porta-Potti and a few jury-rig devices that satisfy federal "no discharge" requirements. It was not an ideal solution. The thought of drilling two (2) holes in my hull and one hole in my deck to install a standard marine head and then carrying around a tank full of waste for an indeterminate time until I was either offshore or found a working pumpout station, just did not fit my concept of prudent seamanship. Better technology in the form of a composting toilet showed up at the 2002 Miami Boat Show.

Composting toilets are not new. The technology is tried and true, proven over many decades of use in areas where either public sewerage is not available or sanitary septic systems are not feasible. My 32 foot catamaran fits into the greater spectrum of smaller yachts with installed marine toilets, thus it appeared a better than average solution if it worked as stated by the developer. The Air Head Composting Toilet is the brainchild of Geoffrey Trott, and has been around for a couple of years getting well tested. I installed one in my own boat based upon my own intuition, the assurances of the designer and the reports from other users.

Competing composting toilet units are essentially too large for a small to medium sized boat, but my Air Head unit has the same footprint as my diminutive Porta-Potti, though it is almost twice as tall. Next, it is simplicity itself, having few moving parts and only a 45 milliamp muffin fan as current draw, it uses no water, thus has no seacocks or hoses. Third, it is of modest cost. Specifications are three hundred dollars less than a complex marine toilet installation with seacocks, "Y" valves, siphon breaks, holding tanks, yards of costly pipe, macerator pumps and deck pump out connections. The only thing the two systems have in common is the vent pipe.

There are the usual concerns about odors. Based on the reports of others and my own intuition, I figured that the odors could not possibly be greater than many of the liquid based system I have surveyed, which was my initial reluctance to have such a system in my boat in the first place. The Air Head is USCG approved under CFR 159.53.

The unit bolts to the cabin sole with spring loaded catches. I decided to use an unobtrusive side mount under the rubrail for the vent exit in lieu of a deck mounted solar vent. The unit needs only the supplied initial feeding of ordinary peat-moss, replaceable at any garden shop and a modest amount of electric power for the fan that maintains airflow. After using the unit, a couple of turns of the crank handle mixes the material with the peat moss and natural decomposition takes place, thus returning it to its original state, which is plain soil! Simply put, similar to the way a cat buries it. However, the reason the unit is able to be so small and simple is the method of separating liquids from the solids.

Urine is separated into a quick-detach bottle. A teaspoon full of ordinary sugar in the bottle suppresses odor. The bottle is convenient to empty. Disposing of urine is seldom if ever a problem, especially considering it is normally sterile. The operating capacity of the unit is based upon approximately two uses per day for two people or 80 uses. To empty, the bottom unit is detached and the material either appropriately dumped or stored until completely degraded, then placed in the flower beds. Any bacterial or viral contamination is destroyed by the natural processes. In our own case, it will most likely be several years before we need to empty it, based upon our own lifestyle which considers offshore and marina supplements.

Stay tuned, we will keep you posted.

April, 2007, UPDATE:

Thus far, I have not received sufficient reports from users to change my opinion. The few that have trickled down were positive. My own unit aboard La Forza, to the best of my knowledge is still in use. (I sold that boat in 2005)

For full details, check website: www.airheadtoilet.com or write

EOS Design LLC

AIR HEAD Dry Toilet

Geoffry Trott

P.O. Box 5

Mount Vernon, OH 43050

740-392-3642 866-556-1571

Fax: 707-371-3829 Cell: 740-358-1022

(email: info@airheadtoilet.com)

Old tech: (Porta Potti) and new tech: Airhead COMPOSTING TOILET pose on deck for installation

Installed and ready for use                                                All parts, strewn on deck ready for installation

 

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